We have been working around all this for a long time. Most recently we came to understand that Europeans were clearly brown skinned until the advent of a successful agricultural cultrure that then produced large white populations that subsumed the original culture. Just what has happened and is happening to the Indians of North America. It all happened much sooner in Europe and for the same reasons.
We are shaping things up nicely though. We have a serious penetration of the Abo lineage into South America long ago and the Polynesians along the west coast then leading to tribal movements as well into the East. After that or simultaneously we had penetration in the north from both directions.
I had long understood as much but now the weight of DNA work is cleaning this all up. Scholarly foot dragging is actually collapsing as indicated in California.
Thoughts on the peopling of the Americas, while washing paint brushes, baking a pizza and chatting with Ric Edwards
Posted by Richard Thornton | Aug 16, 2018 | Archaeology, Ethnology, Language, Mysteries | 2 |
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Geneticists are incessantly changing the facts, while anthropologists remained obsessed with creating simplistic models of the past.
Ric Edwards called early Sunday evening, while I was washing paint brushes and baking a pizza, bought at Dollar General. Fortunately, the fixer upper cottage I am in now, has multiple, working telephone receptacles (unlike the rat-infested cabin, that I formerly lived in.) The rat hovel had one working telephone at the extreme end of the structure. I was able to multi-task, while Ric updated me with the latest set of “genetic facts” about indigenous Americans.
For those of you, who don’t know him, Ric played a major role in the formation of the People of One Fire and even came up with its name. He and his wife live in the mountains of Texas. He devotes most of his research nowadays to genetics I don’t, so rely on him to tell the current version of truth on that particular date. His Creek heritage can be traced to the Lower Chattahoochee River Basin, but all those towns moved there in the early 1700s from locations to the east. Some of his ancestral families were definitely Uchee from the Lower Savannah River Basin.
When Ric and I first made contact around 14 years ago, he immediately discussed his theory that several indigenous ethnic groups reached the Americas by going directly from Scandinavia and Russia to Canada. The Algonquians, Uchee, Arawaks and Panonans have distinctly different blood types and DNA profiles that indigenous groups in the western half of North America, plus the western and southern parts of South America. Look at the latest satellite imagery from ERSI or Google Earth.
The North Atlantic is dotted with submerged islands that would have been above the surface of the water during the last Ice Age. Ric and Dr. Gordon Freeman of the University of Alberta believe that the same people once lived on both sides of the North Atlantic. Indeed, the oldest stonehenges are in Canada. The oldest Canadian stone circles predate the oldest Stonehenge in the British Isles (located in Wales) by 500 years. No one has attempted to date the stone circles in northern Georgia.
Ric believed that the ancestors of the Muskogeans came to the Americas very early and by water along the edge of the Pacific Ocean. He believed that Proto-Polynesians and Melanesian arrived in the Americas very early. Guess what? In recent years, the oldest skeletons in Mexico are Southeast Asian or Proto-Polynesian.
At the time, most of my knowledge base was focused on Mesoamerica, so I just listened and gave his theories serious consideration. After all, it only took the Inuit three centuries to populate the entire Arctic region from Alaska to Greenland. There is no reason to doubt that humans could have traversed the same region in earlier times. There is another bit of evidence. Most indigenous Americans have O+ blood. Only in the Algonquian regions does one see A and B blood types among “full blood” Natives.
The greatest concentration of R haplotype is among the Algonquians and Atlantic Coast of Europe.
My research during the past two years into the petroglyphs in northern Georgia and shared words among indigenous peoples in the North Atlantic Region is backing up Ric’s theories 100%. Most of the petroglyphs in northern Georgia are identical to those In either Ireland-Scotland or southern Scandinavian . . . depending on the river valley in Georgia. Irish Gaelic, Algonquian, Shawnee, Cherokee and Muskoge-Creek use the same word for “people or tribe” . . . gi ~ ki.
The archaic word for “living place” . . . bo . . . can be found in Anglish, Jutish, Swedish, Danish, Panoan (Peru) and Apalache-Creek. The root words of the Old English word borough . . . bo and reigh . . . can be found any many Native American tribal and geographical names in the Carolinas and Georgia. Keep in mind that the Angles and Jutes originated from the same region where there is a concentration of burial mounds and Bronze Age petroglyphs in Sweden.
Ric’s latest and most precise analysis of his family’s genetics revealed that he had about 30% Finno-Ugric (Sami and Finnish) DNA test markers. He also had significant southwest Asian DNA test markers That is a big change from past tests, reflecting the continually changing understanding of human genetics. Dr. Ray Burden is also finding a significant level Finno-u
Of course, all commercial labs do not consider those markers to be indicative of indigenous American ancestry, but Ric cannot find any Sami, Finnish or Swedish ancestors from the Colonial Period, so I strongly suspect that they came from his Uchee ancestors. They really should be considered “typical Native American” DNA markers in the Southeast. But alas, there are no DNA test markers for the Uchee, Miccosukee and Creeks.
Meanwhile, geneticists have found absolute proof that the aboriginal peoples of the southern tip of South America and a region in the heart of Amazonia were Australoids. They either sailed along the rim of the Pacific to get there or else directioly from Africa.
Geneticists have recently discovered that the aboriginal peoples of Northwest Europe during the Paleolithic and Neolithic Periods had dark hair and dark complexions. They were not terribly different in appearance from modern “full-blood” Native Americas.
It’s the same ole, same old thing with anthropology. The profession in the United States is divided up into cliques, each with its own simplistic explanation for the peopling of America. The groups are primarily interested in “their side winning” . . . not getting at the truth. I imagine that they call each other “ignorant peons” like the Georgia archaeologists labeled me in 2012. LOL
Look at the genetic and blood type maps of indigenous peoples the Americas. They provide a very complex picture of the New World’s past, not a snapshot of a single wave of people coming during a short period over a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska. As we said earlier, small extended family bands of pioneers could have both paddled and hiked from the Old World to the New World from many locations and at many time periods. The Inuit were certainly not the “Lone Rangers” in this endeavor. Once in the Americas, these small bands mingled and had babies, who ultimately evolved into distinct indigenous groups.
Long, long ago in a land far away . . . Mexican anthropologists told me that they thought Gringo anthropologists had grossly underestimated the length of time that mankind had been in the Americas. At the time, the official date was 10,000 BC. The Mexican scholars also were convinced that the earliest settlers in their region were Proto-Polynesians. They knew for a fact that the indigenous people of Baja California were Polynesians. European plagues had wiped out most of these people by the early 1800s.
When I got back to the States and started giving color slide lectures, the Gringo archaeologists laughed at me when I related what the Mexican archaeologists had told me. For the next four decades, the profession bitterly opposed the suggestion that Polynesians had arrived in North America prior to the “Clovis People” – even though no Clovis points have ever been found in Alaska or Siberia. Their greatest concentration is in the Southeastern United States.
Guess what? Last night I watched a National Geo special on the discovery of a very old skeleton on Catalina Island, California. She was a Polynesian, whose bones were unearthed in the 1950s, but not studied until 1999! They were 13,000 years old. This information was suppressed by the “Clovis People” in the profession until 2015, when more Polynesian skeletons were found in Channel Islands.
Ric believed that the ancestors of the Muskogeans came to the Americas very early and by water along the edge of the Pacific Ocean. He believed that Proto-Polynesians and Melanesian arrived in the Americas very early. Guess what? In recent years, the oldest skeletons in Mexico are Southeast Asian or Proto-Polynesian.
At the time, most of my knowledge base was focused on Mesoamerica, so I just listened and gave his theories serious consideration. After all, it only took the Inuit three centuries to populate the entire Arctic region from Alaska to Greenland. There is no reason to doubt that humans could have traversed the same region in earlier times. There is another bit of evidence. Most indigenous Americans have O+ blood. Only in the Algonquian regions does one see A and B blood types among “full blood” Natives.
The greatest concentration of R haplotype is among the Algonquians and Atlantic Coast of Europe.
My research during the past two years into the petroglyphs in northern Georgia and shared words among indigenous peoples in the North Atlantic Region is backing up Ric’s theories 100%. Most of the petroglyphs in northern Georgia are identical to those In either Ireland-Scotland or southern Scandinavian . . . depending on the river valley in Georgia. Irish Gaelic, Algonquian, Shawnee, Cherokee and Muskoge-Creek use the same word for “people or tribe” . . . gi ~ ki.
The archaic word for “living place” . . . bo . . . can be found in Anglish, Jutish, Swedish, Danish, Panoan (Peru) and Apalache-Creek. The root words of the Old English word borough . . . bo and reigh . . . can be found any many Native American tribal and geographical names in the Carolinas and Georgia. Keep in mind that the Angles and Jutes originated from the same region where there is a concentration of burial mounds and Bronze Age petroglyphs in Sweden.
Ric’s latest and most precise analysis of his family’s genetics revealed that he had about 30% Finno-Ugric (Sami and Finnish) DNA test markers. He also had significant southwest Asian DNA test markers That is a big change from past tests, reflecting the continually changing understanding of human genetics. Dr. Ray Burden is also finding a significant level Finno-u
Of course, all commercial labs do not consider those markers to be indicative of indigenous American ancestry, but Ric cannot find any Sami, Finnish or Swedish ancestors from the Colonial Period, so I strongly suspect that they came from his Uchee ancestors. They really should be considered “typical Native American” DNA markers in the Southeast. But alas, there are no DNA test markers for the Uchee, Miccosukee and Creeks.
Meanwhile, geneticists have found absolute proof that the aboriginal peoples of the southern tip of South America and a region in the heart of Amazonia were Australoids. They either sailed along the rim of the Pacific to get there or else directioly from Africa.
Geneticists have recently discovered that the aboriginal peoples of Northwest Europe during the Paleolithic and Neolithic Periods had dark hair and dark complexions. They were not terribly different in appearance from modern “full-blood” Native Americas.
It’s the same ole, same old thing with anthropology. The profession in the United States is divided up into cliques, each with its own simplistic explanation for the peopling of America. The groups are primarily interested in “their side winning” . . . not getting at the truth. I imagine that they call each other “ignorant peons” like the Georgia archaeologists labeled me in 2012. LOL
Look at the genetic and blood type maps of indigenous peoples the Americas. They provide a very complex picture of the New World’s past, not a snapshot of a single wave of people coming during a short period over a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska. As we said earlier, small extended family bands of pioneers could have both paddled and hiked from the Old World to the New World from many locations and at many time periods. The Inuit were certainly not the “Lone Rangers” in this endeavor. Once in the Americas, these small bands mingled and had babies, who ultimately evolved into distinct indigenous groups.
Long, long ago in a land far away . . . Mexican anthropologists told me that they thought Gringo anthropologists had grossly underestimated the length of time that mankind had been in the Americas. At the time, the official date was 10,000 BC. The Mexican scholars also were convinced that the earliest settlers in their region were Proto-Polynesians. They knew for a fact that the indigenous people of Baja California were Polynesians. European plagues had wiped out most of these people by the early 1800s.
When I got back to the States and started giving color slide lectures, the Gringo archaeologists laughed at me when I related what the Mexican archaeologists had told me. For the next four decades, the profession bitterly opposed the suggestion that Polynesians had arrived in North America prior to the “Clovis People” – even though no Clovis points have ever been found in Alaska or Siberia. Their greatest concentration is in the Southeastern United States.
Guess what? Last night I watched a National Geo special on the discovery of a very old skeleton on Catalina Island, California. She was a Polynesian, whose bones were unearthed in the 1950s, but not studied until 1999! They were 13,000 years old. This information was suppressed by the “Clovis People” in the profession until 2015, when more Polynesian skeletons were found in Channel Islands.
Then in 2016, a chain of Polynesian fishing villages was discovered along the coast of southern California – containing Polynesian style artifacts. California archaeologists have now decided that most of the “American Indians” from Los Angeles southward to the Mexican border, were actually Polynesians. There is still no admission that the Baja California natives were Polynesians.
Back in 2005, I took a now-primitive DNA test. It said that I was about 3/4th Nordic (Scandinavian-Finnish), Scottish and Irish. The remainder was Asiatic, including Maya and Polynesian. Polynesian? I thought it was a fluke. Than last year, I figured out that the Wasali/Wassaw People of Wassaw Sound, GA and the Savannah River Basin were probably Polynesians. Their capital was in present day Elbert County, GA, where my mother grew up. They were also in South Carolina as indicated by the English place name, Waxhaw and the Spanish ethnic name, Guasule. Vasa is a Maori and little used Hawaiian word for ocean water.
See https://peopleofonefire.com/omg-there-was-a-polynesian-tribe-in-the-lower-southeast.html
Cousin Ray recently had some much more sophisticated testing done on his family. That test determined that the Polynesian component was most similar to the Maori in New Zealand. Maori? Now you figure that one out.
Back in 2005, I took a now-primitive DNA test. It said that I was about 3/4th Nordic (Scandinavian-Finnish), Scottish and Irish. The remainder was Asiatic, including Maya and Polynesian. Polynesian? I thought it was a fluke. Than last year, I figured out that the Wasali/Wassaw People of Wassaw Sound, GA and the Savannah River Basin were probably Polynesians. Their capital was in present day Elbert County, GA, where my mother grew up. They were also in South Carolina as indicated by the English place name, Waxhaw and the Spanish ethnic name, Guasule. Vasa is a Maori and little used Hawaiian word for ocean water.
See https://peopleofonefire.com/omg-there-was-a-polynesian-tribe-in-the-lower-southeast.html
Cousin Ray recently had some much more sophisticated testing done on his family. That test determined that the Polynesian component was most similar to the Maori in New Zealand. Maori? Now you figure that one out.
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