Tuesday, June 16, 2020

Top ten reasons NOT to buy an electric vehicle (and why each one is wrong!)

This podcast came out a few months back and what it really tells us is that we are there.  You can buy your electric vehicle solution and be completely happy with it.  All those obvious issues we have talked about since 2007 here are no longer issues.

We now are entering a time period in which the improvements cannot be matched by legacy hardware.  So yes it is time to rewtire all other vehicles and switch up.  The industry certainly is doing just trhat while still selling legacy tech as much as possible.  You do not want to  be last out.

I stopped buying vehicles in 2004 because i could and disposed of my last saver several years ago.  Getting an electric self driving vehicle is very attractive.  All the pleasure without the aggravation..

Top ten reasons NOT to buy an electric vehicle (and why each one is wrong!)


•7 Jul 2019

Just Have a Think

85.3K subscribers

Electric vehicles. To buy or not to buy? That is the question! Many of us still labour under prejudices and misperceptions that are years or even decades out of date. Misperceptions that are enthusiastically reinforced by the fossil fuel industry! But with battery prices tumbling and governments around the world now beginning to enact legislation to ban the sale of internal combustion engine cars in the next few years, all the major manufacturers are investing billions in research and development to bring us some spectacular electric choices. In fact there's never been a better time to have a think about EVs. Help support and influence the growth of the Just Have a Think initiative here: www.patreon.com/justhaveathink

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electric car but living in a terraced house and no convenient charging stations nearby I opted for an electric bike instead. Nearly done 2000 miles in 10 months, weigh 1 stone less than before and feel better for it. 

I wont buy an electric vehicle because I am trying to live my entire life without owning a car. 

Just have to say incredible job on the video editing - synchronisation between the "twins" was absolutely bang on! 

I work for major German manufacturer & biggest mark up is replacement oil from servicing. They are concerned they cannot find the margin from other returns. I also ride a bike & combustion cars stink! 

The bristles on my wife's floor brush wore out so I'm buying her an electric vacuum cleaner for her birthday, we got to go electric to save the world. 

I have no car. I get by fine with a couple of e-bikes, a trailer, and a solar charging operation. I have not spent a nickel on gasoline, car insurance, mechanic fees, DMV registration fees for 4 years - basically free transportation. I can charge my lithium battery packs over and over and over again at zero cost from my solar panel and a simple MPPT charge controller. Free transportation at zero emissions. I thumb my nose at the car companies and oil companies that have had their way enslaving you for the last 100 years. ZERO emissions, ZERO transportation cost, better health and less frustration. Read more

Really nice quality and presentation. 

There are other good unexpected things... I have a Chevy Bolt. 1) you have a full charge every morning. No stopping to fill up. 2) you have almost zero maint. No oil changes, fuel filter, radiator fluid, spark plugs, transmission fluid, 3 year battery replacement, brake pad replacement, etc... 3) insensitive to altitude. Does not use oxygen. Actually lower drag at altitude helps. Bad thing... 1) batteries lose range when cold. Heaters. A/C. You might lose 30% range. Read more

In the last two weeks, I sold both of my old cars (Toyota Sienna and Kia Sportage) and bought a New Pacifica Pluig-in hybrid and a used 2016 eglof with 12k miles on it. Now my family is driving almost all of our miles on electricity. I love these cars and can't imagine myself ever buying another ICE vehicle. I got higher end amenities for a lot less money with the Pacifica than the ICE version when the 10k federal and state incentives are factored in and these cars cost about 25% for the egolf and 35% for the Pacifica in electricity per mile than my old cars. I'm told my egolf should need tires, wiper fluid and brake pads at 100k miles and that's about it. Solar installer project for my roof is next. Read more

Electric cars are fine, but I hope more people start using electric bikes too. I have one and I love it, and it makes a lot of trips doable by bike that normally I would have to drive for. 

Not to mention regenerative braking...one of the coolest things about an EV. 

6:20 The main environmental cost of Electric cars is in the production, the Fossil Fuel production of electricity is additional, although potentially anyone with Solar panels at home could charge the car without this additional cost. Also the option to charge at home is only available to anyone with a drive, anyone living in a flat or terrace house will not have this option, so even if this saving is accurate it is only viable for the richer people in society. Read more

1: Not enough choice. Shows a list of cars from evrater.com which has 24 models world wide of which only 17 is available in both EU and US, some of which you have to be really lucky to be able to walk in from the street to buy as there are long waiting lists, to me it seems like choice is rather limited compared to ICE cars after all. And apparently "Just Have a Think" has the same opinion since it is needed to highlight the large number of cars currently in development, it is like admitting "yes the current selection is crap, but soon there will be more to choose from". There is no doubt that in a few years there will be plenty of choice, but as of 2019, not so much. 2: Too expensive. While TCO is important, initial purchase price can for many people be prohibitive for general EV adoption. And again touching on the prediction that EVs will become less expensive in the future only shows that in 2019 EVs are too expensive to buy (not TCO), or else there would be no need to state this. 3. Still using coal. On this one I agree, even though if all electricity was generated using fossil fuel and then used in an EV, there is no doubt centralized electricity production will be far more effective that putting fossil fuel in an ICE to convert it to motion. 4. The grid will collapse. This will highly depend on the demand for simultaneous fast at home charging, if a significant part of car owners shift to EVs and will want to charge at home over night with e.g. 11 or 22kW charging, the power grid in many countries WILL need upgrading. In Denmark where I all a standard house has available is a total of 22kW peak load. Having a large portion of car owners wanting even 11kW sustained load on top of their domestic electricity needs will definitely put a strain on the power grid. Just because a part of the grid has 1000 houses with 22kW peak load in fusing each doesn’t mean this part of the grid is designed to go anywhere near 1000x 22kW sustained load. So yes, if no investments are made in the power grid it will most likely collapse due to EVs. 5. Range anxiety. Even though EVs now have acceptable range for most people, there is no denying that it is far cheaper and easier to find an ICE powered vehicle suited for really long distances. It will likely get better in the future, but again, the future is not now. 6. No charging infrastructure. Here it would have been nice to see a comparison of number of gas stations to number of fast chargers. No doubt the EV infrastructure is getting much better and fast, but still can’t compare to petrol/diesel infrastructure. And there are still some regions outside larger cities where charging options are very limited. 7. Charging takes too long. If you expect to be able to charge your vehicles range from 10% to 100% in the same time it takes to fill a tank of petrol or diesel, then yes it takes too long. But nowadays fast chargers are finally fast, meaning you can get 2-300 km of range in half an hour, but it will still take a change of habit for those driving longer than the range of the battery, in other words possible but not necessarily convenient. 8. No garage or driveway. You will charge up when you are out? Despite it still takes way longer than to fill up with petrol or diesel, and that the range of a typical EV is much less than that of a typical ICE vehicle, meaning when you are out charging will have to happen a lot more often than filling up with petrol or diesel? For people with no garage or driveway there is a long way until an EV will be a convenient choice. 9. Batteries need replacing. Despite the fact that batteries will lose range over time, experience show that this effect is not as prominent as feared by many, and +10-year-old EVs with diminished range because of battery degradation will still be relevant on the used car marked as an alternative to cheap old ICE vehicles. A battery pack needing replacement in an EV will likely be as rare in the real world as an ICE engine needing replacement. These comments come, not from someone who doesn’t like EVs, but from someone currently researching and planning to buy an EV (Tesla Model 3 SR+). I just think that it is still important to acknowledge the shortcomings of EVs in todays world, rather than to just push for widespread and unenlightened adoption of EVs, as this will very likely lead to many people having a bad experience with buying and owning and EV. 

You sir are what the tinternet was built for. Superb info. Best channel I’ve found so far ! Many thanks. 

 This is only relevant for anyone who buys the car outright, anyone on lease will pay far more as most leases are only over 3 years not 10 and with the lease amount will be approximately 50% higher than the Petrol/Diesel equivalent, plus the £69/mth charge for the battery, I think you will find these results have been fudged!. 


There are UK tariffs as low as 4 hours overnight for 5p/kWh. 35p/kWh is at the upper end of rapid charge costs 

The electric cost tells us strictly about the past cost of an electric. Norway, for example, had free electricity for electric cars but not free petrol for ICE cars - but none of these countries promise to continue that policy after you have bought your car

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