It we take the public statements made by Iranian public figures and simply ignore them and instead look at their actions we have proactive financing of external Shiite groups as may well be expected and a secret effort to achieve nuclear capability. They do not appear to have started hostilities themselves at all but have certainly participated then. Even the Iraqi War was an Iraqi attack and they ultimately lost that by been bled to exhaustion.
In short, their actions have been measured which is not something one can call their allies or enemies. It may be possible to do business with them in the hope that wiser heads will ultimately rework the political life of Iran.
Their rhetoric has never been measured and we must ask the question of why? I want to say that i do not know what i do not know here and would welcome wisdom on the actual weight we should give it. Both North Korea and Iran are asking for a preemptive strike of the most savage kind aimed at neutralizing all possible nuclear ambitions. They may simply not mean it. .
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Clinton is of two minds about Iran nuke deal
http://www.speroforum.com/a/ZCTENOPKUD6/76181-Clinton-is-of-two-minds-about-Iran-nuke-deal
Speaking Tehran on July 17, Iranian Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Movahedi
Kermani told worshippers that Iran will accept the deal recently worked
out by President Barack Obama and allies only if sanctions are lifted
immediately. In addition, said the cleric, Iran’s frozen revenues
amounting to billions of dollars must be returned. The revolutionary
ideals of Iran’s Islamic Republic must be preserved he said. Kermani
added that the co-signers of the accord are untrustworthy, having made
excessive demands that are an “insult.” According to Kermani, some of
the terms of the agreement have not yet been met.
According to the July 14 accord, sanctions on Iran will be gradually
lifted in return for a promise that Iran will accept curbs on its
nuclear program. Iran has long been suspected of harboring a nuclear
weapons program under the guise of an atomic energy program for civilian
purposes. Speaking in a radio address, Kermani said "Iranians should
accept a deal only if our rights and all the red lines are preserved and
the Islamic Revolution's ideals, especially the fight against global
arrogance, are not put aside and forgotten. All cruel sanctions should
be lifted immediately, all blocked revenues should be released and no
damage should be done to our Islamic and national pride." Kermani said
the Western side of the negotiations had been defeated, saying "With the
wise efforts of the honorable (Ed. Note: Iranian) president and the
untiring efforts and strong logic of the negotiating team in the
negotiating arena, the opposite side was forced to retreat and accept
just speech and acknowledge the rights of Iranians."
The cleric also said, "Israel and its allies, especially Saudi Arabia,
are extremely unhappy about this deal, and this is the best proof to
show how valuable the deal is. As Iran's martyred cleric, Beheshti, used
to say, 'Let them be angry and die from their anger'."
Even while President Barack Obama has given assurances that the Iraian
deal is a signature diplomatic triumph, others are not so certain. While
Obama has wide support in Congress among members of his party, support
for the plan was not universal. Current Democrat presidential
front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton said in response to the deal, "Do I
trust the Iranians?" Clinton said. "Absolutely not." However, the former
secretary of state has largely been supportive of the agreement that
was reached by the U.S. in concert with five other powers. Clinton
admitted that critics of the deal have "a respectable argument." Even
so, Clinton repeated her contention that it was the best deal that could
be achieved. Later one, she said, "No one should be deluded about the
continuing threat that Iran poses to the region." As president, Clinton
said, her position on Iran would be "Don't trust, and verify," and said
that inspections and extensive monitoring should be used to ensure
compliance.
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said she supports the accord. On July 16,
she said "I'm very optimistic about our vote of support for the
president."
As for Republicans, Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said on July 16 that it
is "pretty clear" that a majority of members of Congress oppose the
deal. Obama has said he will veto Republican opposition to the deal. To
override Obama’s veto, an unlikely two-thirds vote of both houses of
Congress would be required.
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