Monday, November 8, 2021

Are today's Italians in Italy genetically the closest to ancient Romans?

It turns out that the original roman people were simply not large.  Being Roman actually meant being a full citizen of the Imperial polity.  It also explains why they were so willing to extend the real value of citizenship.  anyone they acquired weas naturally bigger and they had to co-opt the natural leadership.

It is plausible that ROME was the first ideological nation state depending on an idea of State superseding the tribe.  Imitating that idea ultimately produced the modern Euroean Nation States of our modern world and continues to slowly override tribalism globally.

This Item shows us how separate folk were and also how stable as well.

Are today's Italians in Italy genetically the closest to ancient Romans?

Fabio Bozzo, studied History & Geopolitics at University of Genoa (2006)

Updated Jul 27, 2020 · Upvoted by
Philip W, Major History Buff and
Li Song, Docter Mathematics & History, Colleges and Universities (2020)

No. The actually genetic of Italians is essentially that of pre-Roman populations. The Romans conquered Italy, and half of the then known world, thanks to their civilizations and superior organizations, but they were too few to carry out a substantial colonization of all the acquired territories. It is no coincidence that Rome's winning weapon was cultural assimilation.

Genetically today's Italy can be divided into 6 blocks:

Northern Italy
Central Italy
South Italy

Below you see the map, simplified but substantially correct:

Below, the map and the presence in Italy of the E…

Below, the map and the presence in Italy of the European haplogroups:

As an inexhaustible and scientifically commendable source, I recommend this site (in Italian):

Leonardo Bertone, studied at Foreign Languages High School
Updated Aug 25, 2020 · Upvoted by
Philip W, Major History Buff

It isn’t a simple question: the answer is a “not really”.

First of all, an Italian is Italian only because he’s an inhabitant of the Italian peninsula. Genetically, there’s not really an “Italian people”. We come from thousands of years of history, of different populations that travelled and lived in this country, and Romans were just one of those.

The roman empire was a giant nation, but it doesn’t mean that everybody in it was Roman. Yes, they became Romans, but genetically they were all sort of people. In Italy it was the same: the real “Romans” in their Dna could be probably the inhabitants … in their Dna could be probably the inhabitants of Lazio, the Italian region where’s situated Rome. Everybody else can have a small part of Roman heritage in their blood, but we are a mix of people that were simply under Roman control, and not true Romans;

Sicilians have more Greek or Punic like Dna (but in Middle Age Normans, cousins of the Vikings, travelled there, and so you have Sicilians with blonde hair);

people of Sardinia are really particular because they have a lot of genes that come from ancient humans of Neolitic age;

If you travel where I live, in the North, people tend to have fair skin and blond or brown hair, while in the South black hair is more common; here in the North lived people as the Veneti and the Liguri, cultures living in Italy even before the Indoeuropeans;

In Tuscany and Umbria there was a strong nation created by the Etrurians, that were slowly integrated by Rome. The city had two or three kings that were Etrurians, and their culture was influenced by them; so even Rome wasn’t genetically pure at 100%;

In the North, near the Alps and in the Po plain, lived the Celts; they were millions and there were strong and really advanced people, as the Insubri (one of the main populations, probably half Celts and half ligurians or pre-indoeuropeans) who helped Hannibal in the war against Rome; after the fall of the roman empire, germanic tribes as the Goths came in Italy for a short period, until a scandinavian tribe(yes, someone who came from the far north of the continent), the Longobards, arrived in Italy and established in the Po plain and in other places of central Italy for some centuries; they were probably the first ones who tried to put Italy all togheter in a unite country.

I could continue because there are dozens of other people I didn’t talk about, but I hope the concept is quite clear: we can be Romans, somewhere in our Dna, but that doesn’t really matter; Italians are Italians only because we use the same language (but only 100 years ago our grandparents used the local languages that were all different from a part to the other of the country), and our Dna is really changeable. There were millions of people in ancient Italy, and only a small part of them could have been considered genetically “Roman”: those who lived in Latium. Still, even they were not Romans at all, because they started as a small group influenced by lots of cultures.

The Italian languages developed after the fall of Rome: in the South they were influenced by Greece, Sardinia is a unic exceptional island with a different type of language and Dna, while the North is divided in Veneti and Gallo-italic languages, which were more influenced by Celts.

This is a map about a small part of Italy, in the North(actual Lombardy and Piedmont); you can see that there are dozens of people only there, and they all lived in the same age of the Roman Republic.

Italians can’t be genetically defined Romans: the truth is that people as Romanians instead have more Roman genes, and their language is the most similar to ancient latin.

Simon Alberti, worked at Real Estate Investing

Don't forget also the hundreds of thousands of Middle East (especially from Anatolia ) and Greeks who came to Italy at the time of the conquest as slaves and later as merchants and sailors, who emigrated to the center of the world in search of new opportunities In many areas of Etruria the slaves from Anatolia became more numerous than the natives . It can be said that the population of present-day Italy is descended from the population of pre-Roman Italy (which includes the same Romano from Latium ), and the many slaves and immigrants from the Román provinces who moved to Rome and Italy. In the 4th century A.D. the Italian population roughly corresponded to the current one.The genetic contribution of the population that arrived in Italy during the barbarian and medieval invasions was insignificant, contrary to what many people think. The largest barbarian population settled in Italy were the Longobards. Slightly more than 100,000 people when about 5 million natives lived in Italy.The successive Aragonese, Spanish, French, Austrian, etc. domination of some Italian regions did not change the genetic composition of Italy. These dominations were limited to the transfer to Italy of a few hundred soldiers and a few dozen officials.

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