For decades now, Sam Wineburg, a professor of education and
history at Stanford, has been studying the way history is taught. His
book, Why Learn History (When It’s Already on Your Phone?), is
about the way historical thinking—habits of mind that emphasize the
careful assessment of evidence and the presumption of uncertainty, among
other things—can help us navigate the information-rich environment of
the web.
The book, which zips along in a chatty, essayistic mode,
details the work Wineburg and his colleagues have done to see how
different groups of people—students, professional historians,
scientists, and fact-checkers for magazines—process information in
online and analog environments. In one entertaining chapter, which we’ve
excerpted on Slate, Wineburg dissects Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States,
showing how the beloved book, so often taken as “the real truth” by
people turned on to history when they read it, privileges a compelling
narrative over the interrogation of evidence.
Good historical thinking is by no means a magical solution to
our information woes, as demonstrated by Wineburg’s reports of what
trained historians do while trying to navigate the web to find
information about nonhistorical topics. But, Wineburg advocates,
teachers of history can offer the kind of education in how to think that
helps students understand all of the information they encounter online
much better.
In our conversation, which has been edited and condensed for
clarity, we talked about right-clicking, the Trumpian appropriation of
“critical thinking,” and historians’ frustrating and endearing tendency
toward hedging.
Rebecca
Onion: How does the kind of education we need in order to be smart
about the internet differ from the critical thinking module I took in
eighth grade, back in 1991?
Sam Wineburg: It irks me to no end [when people say,] “Well, [the education we need] is just critical thinking. We don’t need ‘21st-century
skills.’ ” And my response is that if we could get a necromancer to
bring Socrates back to life, and sit him in front of a computer, he
wouldn’t know about keywords and he wouldn’t know about search engine
optimization, and he wouldn’t know how to put words in quotation marks
in Google, so that Google searches for them contiguously. And I’ve
watched really intelligent people, Ph.D. historians with incredible
pedigrees, spin themselves in circles because they lack some basic
skills in search.
Think of it as a Venn diagram. So hopefully in 1991, you were
taught to not decouple information from its source, and to think of the
motivation and intention behind a particular document, that it wasn’t
self-evident information presenting itself de novo, but it came with a
purpose and it was written down or said to achieve a particular aim. And
that had to be taken into account when evaluating that information. And
that’s what I learned when I took AP history and had to wrestle with a
DBQ [document-based question] for the first time. A good history teacher
takes away your innocence about information.
But you didn’t learn about SEO, which is not a skill, it’s an
awareness and an orientation—[the idea] that Google is not a being of
celestial intelligence that cannot be gamed. You find naïveté about
Google in a lot of different venues. Most recently a researcher at Data
& Society [Francesca Tripodi] did a report about evangelicals
that found that they think Google is a neutral source. They think
Wikipedia is biased against conservatives, but Google is just straight
information. Without realizing that, you know, Google is in a
never-ending cat-and-mouse game with the people who try to game it. So
that’s a piece of knowledge that’s important for people using the
internet to fact-check or to think about the quality of information.
Here’s an example of [a web-specific] skill. I’ve watched
smart people who don’t know how to right-click. And so if you don’t know
how to right-click, to open up tabs across the horizontal access of
your screen, you’re just laying window on window. And then it becomes so
clumsy to look at your screen where there are 11 windows lying on top
of each other! It reminds me of the aphorism, “For want of a nail…” If you don’t know how to do something like right-click, you’re going to have a hard time doing lateral reading.
Fact-checkers know that in a digital medium, the web is a web.
It’s not just a metaphor. You understand a particular node by its
relationship in a web. So the smartest thing to do is to consult the web
to understand any particular node. That is very different from reading
Thucydides, where you look at internal criticism and consistency because
there really isn’t a documentary record beyond Thucydides.
Can
you give an example of what you mean by a “node”? Or what you mean by
fact-checkers recognizing that something exists on the web in
relationship to the web?
When we asked [some historians] to find out if the Employment
Policies Institute is a trustworthy source, they would engage in a close
explication de texte
on the site.* They’ll look at its About page. If an organization can
game what they are, they can certainly game their About page!
A fact-checker … will understand this organization by putting
the organization in quotes, and use a smart keyword—but don’t put too
much stock in that keyword. It could be credibility or bias or criticism or funding. If one of the keywords doesn’t work, then they don’t take too much stock, they try another.
An example that comes to mind is a fact-checker who opened up
seven tabs in 30 seconds. And it was SourceWatch, Charity Navigator, and
then finding the organization in the New York Times, and following the
links on that, all in less than 30 seconds. All of a sudden there is
literally a network there, that you can situate that one node in the
network in half a minute.
All this while the historian is engaging in a close read. …
When you are trying to figure out “Is this a quality source?,” that kind
of close read before you even know where the money is coming from or
who’s saying it doesn’t make sense.
It’s
interesting that in some ways historians come off as great heroes in
your book, and in other places they don’t quite have, as you’re
describing, a suspicious enough attitude toward the web. But there are
other aspects of historians’ thinking that can really help us out in an
information-rich environment like the internet.
Absolutely. I’m literally speaking out of both sides of my
mouth. … I think the chapter that’s one of my favorites, the work stuck
with me with vividness, is watching a group of scientists trying to read
Washington’s Thanksgiving Proclamation and inferring that Washington was, like, this super-religious pious guy, because of essentially a bunch of deist
language that they were interpreting through the lenses of their
contemporary understanding of vocabulary. And it was the historians who
understood that these were code words that, if they didn’t mark someone
as a deist, they certainly marked someone as going to great pains to
avoid explicit mention of Jesus Christ, the savior, the trinity.
There’s a kind of suspicion that historians take in
interpreting someone else’s language using linguistic codes of the
present. Which I think is a humility that is applicable not just in
thinking about the past, but also in talking to people across the
divides that separate us in contemporary society.
I loved the note you made about the difference between “sounding critical” and thinking critically. President Trump recently said that
Google is biased against conservatives. There have been a number of
instances of this, where Trump or someone Trump-ish will say something
that sounds critical or wise but isn’t. It’s hard because it almost
feels like there is an appropriation of the language of critical
thinking on the right that makes it hard to explain what the difference
might be between that and what we are talking about.
It’s not “almost an appropriation,” it is an appropriation.
And in this respect, the work that has influenced me the most is the
work by Kate Starbird, an absolutely brilliant internet researcher who studies crisis communication at the University of Washington’s College of Engineering.* And she has a paper
that shows that the alt-right has, right there with Alex Jones, has
appropriated the language of “Do you have an open mind? Are you an
independent thinker? Are you willing to trust your own intelligence to
make up your own mind when you review the evidence?”
And so absolutely, this is the language that has been
appropriated by the alt-right in particular, these neo-Nazi sites and
conspiracy sites that basically say, “The wool is being pulled over your
eyes! But you have the power to [pose] thoughtful questions through
your own powers of discernment if you have an open mind.” This is the
stock-in-trade of propagandists—you can go back and see the same kind of
thing in work by Lenin and Goebbels: “You should trust yourself. We’re
not going to tell you what to believe, you evaluate the evidence—here is
the evidence.”
My
impulse, as a good ex-academic, is to hedge about everything. And I
feel like now we are living in nonambiguous times, and so I often run
into a problem where I feel like I should be writing pieces that are
definitive: “What you think you know about the Confederacy is wrong, and
here’s why.” I think this time is testing us in a lot of ways, and one
of the ways is: Do we keep on showing people that history is a
never-ending inquiry that opens up into layers of questions? Or do we
put all of that aside for a minute, because questions don’t win fights?
I think what we need to explain to a general public about
historical thinking is that historians establish facts. That whether
there were 6 million Jews or 5½ million Jews, there were millions of
Jews that were killed in Europe during the Final Solution. Why it
happened, or the questions Holocaust scholars fight over, about whether
it was intentional or incremental—the interpretation of it—is something
that we continue to argue over. But we don’t argue over “Was there a
middle passage?”
And so, there’s a kind of confusion of the kind of questions
that historians ask, about the nature of interpretation and the nature
of causality, which are never-ending. Questions like: Why did the civil
rights movement succeed when other social movements failed? We give to
high school students a question like: Why did Rosa Parks not yield her
seat on that day? Which is a very different level of question from
“Where was Rosa Parks sitting on that bus?” That’s a factual question
around which there is no doubt. … But why she didn’t give up her seat on
that day—she changed her story several times throughout her lifetime,
and we can argue about it.
What we have not done, as a community [of historians], is
educate the general public about what a fact is, and where our points of
contention are.
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