This mass of reports were put together by Dale Drinnon and are an
important addition to the two prior reports that I posted on. A lot
of additional information is added and a few remarks can now be made.
My original conjecture was that the giants are European descended
from the era of the Bronze Age (2400 BC to 1159BC) when it was
possible for tribal groups to ship into the Americas. I also made
the conjecture that the the tribe was likely a hybrid species formed
from European humanity and the Neanderthals.
I see nothing in the material here that refutes that conjecture and
plenty to support the plausibility and direct further work.
I continue to be astonished at the failure of researchers to come to
the table when hard evidence arises. This work reports on what is
really a mass of evidence of which some at least is quietly sitting
in collections somewhere. Follow up is also completely possible and
if these reports can be refuted, the task is bone simple. It is even
worth an appropriate note in the correct scholarly journal to prevent
other scholars from wasting their time.
It is also worth an appropriate note to confirm that the objects were
eyeballed and remained unexplained.
We now have two serious sites in the watershed of Lake Erie that were
both on a secondary route into the copper mines of Lake Superior. It
is noteworthy that this route is associated with Northern Europeans
and included the Hudson valley and another portage route through
Peterborough in Ontario. The Grand river did supply an easy portage
route to Lake Huron if it was necessary to by pass the choke point by
Detroit.
The first report here is of a massacre and it appears that we have a
cultural history of this right across the Americas. As important,
they were metal workers and certainly linked to the groups who
operated the mines.
This tribe is certainly the source of the Goliath story in the Bible
and it is apparent that the giants had a far greater presence in the
Americas than I had ever guessed. It appears that the tribe was
wiped out by the hostility of their surrounding tribes. This may
have meant that the men were killed as indicated in the evidence
while the women were simply taken as slaves. In that case the
genetically dominant characteristics would have been diluted and
suppressed.
At least we now
Redhaired Mummies and Giants of the United States
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 25,
2012
European Dark-Age Warrior Giant, used to illustrate the "Grendel”"
of Beowulf
Burlington News
NEW YORK
Ref: Steve Quayle
Niagara's Ancient
Cemetery of Giants
I respected
the spelling used in the text. Fredenburg is first used and later it
is spelled "Fredinburg." The site was about 40 miles west
of Niagara Falls, according to recent maps; Dunnville is at the mouth
of the Grand River which flows into Lake Erie. A "Six Nations
First Nation Territory" is along the Grand River today, but I
cannot say if the site was in it, or out of it. More information is
needed to flesh out any veracity to this story, which 21st Century
readers may take with a grain of salt.
Headlines: "A
REMARKABLE SIGHT-- Two hundred skeletons of ANAKIN [sic] in Cayuga
Township; A singular discovery by a Torontonian and others -- A vast
Golgotha opened to view -- Some remains of the 'Giants that were in
those days.' From our own correspondents."
Cayuga, August
21-- "On Wednesday last, Rev. Nathaniel Wardell, Messers. Orin
Wardell(of Toronto), and Daniel Fredenburg, were digging on the farm
of the latter gentleman, which is on the banks of the Grand River, in
the township of Cayuga. When they got to five or six feet below the
surface, a strange sight met them. Piled in layers, one upon top of
the other, some two hundred skeletons of human beings nearly perfect
-- around the neck of each one being a string of beads.
"There were
also deposited in this pit a number of axes and skimmers made of
stone. In the jaws of several of the skeletons were large stone pipes
-- one of which Mr. O. Wardell took with him to Toronto a day or two
after this Golgotha was unearthed.
"These
skeletons are those of men of gigantic stature, some of them
measuring nine feet, very few of them being less than seven feet.
Some of the thigh bones were found to be at least a foot longer than
those at present known, and one of the skulls {Skullcaps, or
incomplete skulls opened at the base, obviously} being examined
completely covered the head of an ordinary person. These skeletons
are supposed to belong to those of a race of people anterior to the
Indians.
"Some three
years ago, the bones of a mastodon were found embedded in the earth
about six miles from this spot. The pit and its ghastly occupants are
now open to the view of any who may wish to make a visit there."
Later: Dunnville,
August 22, "There is not the slightest doubt that the remains of
a lost city are on this farm. At various times within the past years,
the remains of mud houses with their chimneys had been found: and
there are dozens of pits of a similar kind to that just unearthed,
though much smaller, in the place which has been discovered before,
though the fact has not been made public hitherto. The remains of a
blacksmith's [Metalworker's?]shop, containing two tons of charcoal
and various implements, were turned up a few months ago.
"The farm,
which consists of 150 acres, has been cultivated for nearly a
century, and was covered with a thick growth of pine, so that it must
have been ages ago since the remains were deposited there. The skulls
of the skeletons are of an enormous size and all manner of shapes,
about half as large again as are now to be seen. The teeth in most of
them are still in almost perfect state of preservation, though they
soon fall out when exposed to the air.
"It is supposed
that there is gold or silver in large quantities to be found in the
premises, as mineral [dowsing] rods have invariably, when
tested, pointed to a certain spot and a few yards from where the last
batch of skeletons was found directly under the apple tree.
Some
large shells, supposed to have been used for holding water, which
were also found in the pit, were almost petrified [This has got to be
a mistake. Shells are already "Petrified" as in
"Mineralized"]. There is no doubt that were a scheme of
exploration carried on thoroughly the result would be highly
interesting. A good deal of excitement exists in the neighborhood,
and many visitors call at the farm daily.
"The skulls
and bones of the giants are fast disappearing, being taken away by
curiosity hunters. It is the intention of Mr. Fredinburg to cover the
pit up very soon. The pit is ghastly in the extreme. The farm is
skirted on the north by the Grand River. The pit is close to the
banks, but marks are there to show where the gold or silver treasure
is supposed to be under. From the appearance of the skulls, it would
seem that their possessors died a violent death, as many of them were
broken and dented.
"The axes are
shaped like tomahawks, small, but keen, instruments. The beads are
all of stone and of all sizes and shapes. The pipes are not unlike in
shape the cutty pipe, and several of them are engraved with dogs'
heads. They have not lost their virtue for smoking. Some people
profess to believe that the locality of Fredinburg farm was formally
an Indian burial place, but the enormous stature of the skeletons and
the fact that pine trees of centuries growth covered the spot goes
far to disprove this idea."
Ancient American
Volume 6, Issue 41, p. 9
Researched and
submitted by Benoit Crevier
Originally published
in The Daily Telegraph (Toronto, Ontario), Wednesday, August 23,
1871, page 1 Reprinted with permission
OHIO Reference:
greatserpentmound.org Our related science's present understanding of
the pre-Adena (Archaic) inhabitants of the greater Ohio River valley
is yet somewhat sketchy, what to say of the Adena themselves.
However, many pieces to the puzzle are now thought to be in place.
The timeline for the Adena begins around 1000 B.C.E. according to
the carbon dating of Dragoo and others. The Archaic populace is
not believed to have constructed mounds in the Ohio Valley region,
although this is not known for certain due to several factors,
including widespread destruction of the earthworks, without content
cataloging, over the last 250 years. Most understanding is based upon
the dating and trait-grouping of materials found in the diminished
number of mounds and village sites yet existing after a formal
discipline in archaeology and anthropology finally took over
excavation and detailed record keeping.
There are Archaic
era mounded structures, often intricate and complex, in the deep
southern U.S., including Watson Brake, Poverty Point, Fig Island, and
Sapelo. For this reason, theories have been put forth that the mound
building tradition came into the Ohio Valley around the time of the
Adena from the southern Mississippi, thereby tentatively associating
the Adena people with older cultures from the south. In one way of
looking at this idea, it supposes that mound building was a
phenomenon peculiar to
only one geographical source,
necessarily having been passed on. Unlike the Adena mounds however,
the more ancient southern earthworks did not poignantly suggest a
very specialized "cult of the dead."
By their skeletal
remains in the earlier studies, the pre-Adena people were known to
have had slender or thin bodies, and been "long-headed,"
with "narrow" skulls (dolichocranic), i.e., having a
breadth of skull small in proportion to length from front to back.
The Adena people weren't physically akin to these Archaic people.
Generally the Adena had more massive bone structure, according to
these same studies. The pre-eminent theory of Adena origin at the
time was that their ancestry had come from
Mexico or even
further south. However, the Adena body bone structure type was
unusually difficult to trace with surety south of the Rio Grande
where another distinguishing Adena-resonant trait was found practiced
from earlier times. That practice was "cradleboard" head
deformation.
ARIZONA/CALIFORNIA/NEVADA
Ref: Steve Quayle...
The internet
site of radio talk show host Jeff Rense
(http://www.rense.coin/general15/hiss.htm)
has unearthed a mysterious, unexplained, but very provocative
clipping from the August 5, 1947 edition of the San Diego Union.
According to the clipping, explorers had unearthed, near the
Arizona-Nevada-California line, the mummified remains of strangely
costumed giants which the discoverers dated to around 80,000 years
ago.[8000 is probably meant]
The Union reported
that a Howard E. Hill of Los Angeles was recounting the work of Dr.
F. Bruce Russell, a retired Cincinnati physician who had originally
located the first of several tunnels near Death Valley in 1931, but
had not been able to return to the area until 1947. With the help of
Dr. Daniel S. Bovee, who with Hill's father had once helped open up
New Mexico's cliff dwellings, Russell had recovered the remains of
several men of 8 to 9 feet in height.
"These
giants," said Hill, "are clothed in garments consisting of
a medium length jacket and trouser extending slightly below the
knees. The texture of the material is said to resemble gray dyed
sheepskin, but obviously it was taken from an animal unknown
today."
Hill also said, according to the Union, that in
another cavern was found the ritual hall of the ancient people,
together with devices and markings similar to those now used by the
Masonic order. In a long tunnel were well-preserved remains of
animals, including elephants and tigers. So far, Hill added, no women
have been found.
He said the
explorers believe that what they found was the burial place of the
tribe's hierarchy. Hieroglyphics, he added, bear a resemblance to
what is known of those from the lost continent of Atlantis. They are
chiseled, he added, on carefully polished granite.
[this sounds like a
hoax]
TRACE OF GIANTS
FOUND IN DESERT [the same story told over again]LOS ANGELES, Aug 4.
(AP)-- A retired Ohio doctor has discovered relics of an ancient
civilization, whose men were 8 or 9 feet tall in the Colorado desert
near the Arizona-Nevada-California line, an associate said today.
Howard E.
Hill. of Los Angeles speaking before the Transportation Club,
disclosed that several well-preserved mummies were taken yesterday
from caverns in an area roughly 180 miles square, extending through
much of southern Nevada from Death Valley, Calif. across the Colorado
River into Arizona.
Hill said the
discoverer is Dr. F. Bruce Russell, retired Cincinnati physician, who
stumbled on the first of several tunnels in 1931, soon after coming
West and deciding to try mining for his health.
MUMMIES FOUND
Not until this
year, however, did Dr. Russell go into the situation thoroughly, Hill
told the luncheon. With Dr. Daniel S. Bovee, of Los Angeles -- who
with his father helped open up New Mexico's cliff dwellings -- Dr.
Russell has found mummified remains together with implements of the
civilization, which Dr. Bovee had tentatively placed at about 80,000
years old.
"These
giants are clothed in garments consisting of a medium length jacket
and trouser extending slightly below the knees." said Hill. "The
texture of the material is said to resemble gray dyed sheepskin, but
obviously it was taken from an animal unknown today."
MARKINGS
DISCOVERED
Hill said that
in another cavern was found the ritual hall of the ancient people,
together with devices and markings similar to those now used by the
Masonic order. In a long tunnel were well-preserved remains of
animals including elephants and tigers. So far, Hill added, no women
have been found.
He said the
explorers believe that what they found was the burial place of the
tribe's hierarchy. Hieroglyphics, he added, bear a resemblance to
what is known of those from the lost continent of Atlantis. They are
chiseled, he added, on carefully-polished granite.
He said Dr. Viola
V. Pettit, of London, who made excavations around Petra, on the
Arabian desert, soon will begin an inspection of the remains.
Atlantis Rising
January / February
2002, Number 31, p. 11
Reprinted with
permission
Ancient Chambers
Span Across Beneath Northern ArizonaSaturday, April 27, 1991
ARIZONA DAILY SUN,
Flagstaff, Arizona
New Orleans
(AP) -- Three young archaelogists came to Northern Arizona and crept
through sacred rooms, over rocky precipes and by dangerous
rattlesnakes to discover a huge complex of catagombs that could
rewrite theories about the Indians of the southwestern United States.
"It's
absolutely mind-numbing. We would have never believed it could have
existed," John W. Hohman, one of the three archaeologists, said
Friday during the meeting of the 2,000 member Society of American
Archaeology. "It will change a lot of what we believed about
Indians in the Southwest. They may have been far more advanced than
we believed."
Hohman admitted to feeling a bit like
Indiana Jones, the archaeologists-adventurer from the movies. Armed
with a flashlight and a pistol, it was Hohman who rapelled down the
steep fissures, frequently dotted with rattlesnakes sunning
themselves on rocky outcrops, into the catacombs.
The catacombs
his expedition found are the first reported in the United States,
officials at the conference said. "It's very exciting to have it
announced at this conference. It's one of the few times we can say
this is a first. Anytime you have a first in our business, it's
exciting," said Dr.James Schoenwetter, professor of anthropology
at Arizona State University in Tempe, Ariz. "The idea of a very
elaborate form of ceremonial chamber being built underground hundreds
of years ago is surprising."
Indians of the
southwest United States were not believed to have built underground,
Hohman said. For many of the cultures the underground held special
connotations, both good and bad, he said. Burials were also done much
as they are done now, he said, in graves dug into the earth. The
catacombs, which Hohman and colleagues say are about 700 to 800 years
old, were discovered at a known prehistoric Indian settlement about
two miles west of Springerville. The Mongollon Indians occupied the
site sometime between A.D. 1250 and 1400, Hohman said. "There
had been some suspicion that there was something underground there,"
Adams said, "When we actually entered the catacombs though, it
just blew us away."
Getting there
wasn't easy. "Everytime I'd get halfway down one of the others
would find the entry way, Hohman said. The carefully hidden entrances
to the catacombs varied from the size of doorways to small crawl
spaces. Once inside, Hohman and his colleagues found three to four
acres of catacombs, ranging from small chambers to huge rooms 50 feet
high and 100 feet long. "It's obvious that they were to protect
the cattacombs," said White. ""The average person
living at the site would not have had access to the area. It was
probably entered only by certain people."
Hohman, Diane E.
White and Christopher D. Adams were investigating the area for the
town with an eye toward developing it as a recreation area. Hohman
expects the site to produce at least one more major find. "We
think there is something else underground there. We're working in an
area that we think will produce another major surprise," he
said.
The area, but not the catacombs, is open to the public,
and will be developed into a recreational area, Hohman said. The park
is expected to be opened within two years, he said. Called Casa
Malpais, the site represents one of the largest and most complex
ancient Mongollon communities in the nation, Hohman said.
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CALIFORNIALovelock,
Nevada, is about eighty miles northeast of Reno. in 1911, in a cave
near Lovelock, Nevada guano miners found mummies, bones, and
artifacts belonging to a very tall people - with red hair.
ThelPaiutes had
legends about the "Si-Te-Cah." According to them the
redheads were a warlike people, and a number of the Indian tribes
joined together in a long war against them. Eventually, the Paiutes
and their allies forced the Si-Te-Cah back to their home acres, near
Mount Shasta in California.
Archeologists
seemed to take a negative approach to this 'history changing'
discovery. . According to reports, two archeologists were sent
to the scene to investigate this remarkable discovery. . One was from
the University of California, and the other from New York. Rather
than unearthing facts, they seemed more interested in burying them -
literally; we are told the New Yorker ordered a mummy reburied on at
least once occasion. Nor was anything published about the anomalies
until 1929, seventeen years after their visit.
Paiutes says that
the Si-Te-Cah literally lived on a lake in the basin overlooked by
the cave. The lived on the lake to avoice harrassments from the
Indians, living on the rafts made of a fibrous water plant called
tule. The name Si-Te-Cah means "tule eaters."
The Paiutes and
the long-legged redheads did not get along well. The Indians accused
the Si-Te-Cah of being cannibals, and waged war against them. The
Si-Te-Cah fought back. After a long struggle, a coalition of tribes
trapped the remaining Si-Te-Cah in what is now called Lovelock Cave.
When they refused to come out, the Indians piled brush before the
cave mouth and set it aflame. The Si-Te-Cah were annihilated.
The local Indians
tell stories of how the tribe exterminated those that had reddish
hair.
All of this could be dismissed as another tall tale, but the
case for the Si-Te-Cah does not rest on one man's research, or on
remains found in one guano-filled cave. In 1931, mummies wee
discovered in the Humboldt Lake bed. Eight years later, a mystery
skeleton was unearthed on a ranch in the region. In each case, the
skeletons or mummies were exceptionally tall and appeared to be
connected with the strange lost race of redheads.
According to the
Indians, the Si-Te-Cah built a pyramidal stone structure in New York
Canyon, some miles away in Churchill County. Unfortunately, the area
is riven with earthquakes and the rocky ruins have largely tumbled
over the years.
Not much has
survived from the Si-Te-Cah. When the archeological establishment
refused to take their existence seriously, a number of small, private
museums arose to fill the gap. A fire in one of these destroyed an
irreplaceable collection of bones, mummified remains, feathered
artifacts, and shells carved with mysterious symbols. Today there is
a museum in Lovelock with a display describing the cave finds, but it
ignores allegations that the Si-Te-Cah were anything other than
Indians.
The Nevada State
Historical Society has some artifacts from the cave, but again, there
is not even a hint of controversy.
NEVADA
A
Nevadan who died more than 10,000 years ago is at the center of a
battle over who will control the ancient history of North America.
In about a month,
the Bureau of Land Management is expected to decide if a partially
mummified skeleton will be given to Indians for secret burial or if
scientists can retain the 10,630-year-old remains called Spirit Cave
Man for further scientific testing.The conflict already has fallout.
Some of the scientists closest to the issue refused to discuss the
strained relations with Indian tribes. State officials last year
pressured one Worldwide Web page creator to erase links pertaining to
ancient human remains found in Nevada. The state museum this year
agreed not to display busts created by a Reno artist that may show
what two ancient Nevadans looked like.
In a two-day
series, reporter Frank Mullen explores this controversial issue whose
outcome may very well change the history of this continent
Source: The Reno
Gazette-Journal, a Gannett Co. Inc. newspaper.
West VirginiaAncient
European Skeleton Recovered In West Virginia Cave
Cave Skeleton is
European, 1,300 Years Old, Man Says
Sept. 29, 2002
MORGANTOWN - The
man who first advanced the theory that markings carved on in a
Wyoming County cave are actually characters from an ancient Irish
alphabet has found human remains at the site, which tests indicate
are European in origin and date back to A.D. 710, he maintains.
Robert Pyle of
Morgantown says that a DNA analysis of material from the skeleton's
teeth roots was conducted by Brigham Young University. That analysis,
he says, shows that the skeleton's DNA, when compared to samples from
Native American groups and an array of European sources, most closely
matches samples from the British Isles.
Pyle says the DNA
test, plus a radiocarbon test that dates the skeleton to 710, suggest
the presence of a European visitor to the North American continent
nearly 800 years before the arrival of Columbus, and nearly 300 years
before Viking Leif Erickson.
[This is not too entirely unusual in
that there are several sites with purported "European"
affiliations in various parts of Eastern North America dating to
supposedly about 800 AD, at the very beginning of the Viking
age, and the date is in a sort of a cultural vaccuum after
the Hopewell period otherwise-D
