Lost Interview with Ufology Pioneer Riley Crabb Comes to Light

First off, understand that my Cloud Cosmology establishes three tiers of matter which then allows for planet formation and sun formation to include a hollow sphere design around an inner Sun.  This allows for earth like conditions on the interior surface for all properly sized spheres.

This conforms with the writings of Swedenborg from the late seventeenth  century although he did not percieve the nature of the actual planetary spheres.

So we come to the modern era in which communication with others is alledged.  Understanding the consequences of Cloud Cosmooogy allows us to avoid dismissing testimony out of hand.  This not your Newtonian cosmology at all but is the original Pythagorean Cosmology derived from mathematics directly.

This interview took place in 1955 and the information provided has aged well..  We uderstand the underlying physics been used and somewhat how to produce it.  Better ships were soon produced as well as human build versions as well.  Understand that this is the year in which research on Gravity manipulation went DARK.  After that we were given the Woo Woo treatment on the topic as the Air force put on a sham investigation program.

Lost Interview with Ufology Pioneer Riley Crabb Comes to Light - Part 2

Monday, February 22, 2021

Lost Interview with Ufology Pioneer Riley Crabb Comes to Light - Part 2

By Raymond A. Keller, PhD, a.k.a. “Cosmic Ray,” the author of the international awards-winning Venus Rising Series, published by Headline Books and available on Amazon.com, while supplies last.

Part I can be found here.

In the early days of television in the Hawaiian Islands, one of the more popular programs was Betty’s Guest Book, aired on the CBS Honolulu affiliate KGMB-TV from 1 to 1:30 p.m. every Thursday. To those senior citizens that can still remember the program, there was an episode that dealt with the most controversial subject of flying saucers that stood out above all the rest. Airing on 27 January 1955, this is perhaps one of the more intriguing interviews ever conducted regarding the UFO phenomenon, insofar as it contains many revelations about the advanced civilizations that exist on other bodies in our own solar system. The guest was Riley Hansard Crabb (2 April 1912-20 January 1994), a prominent researcher of esoterica and the borderland sciences. The following, taken from Dr. Raymond A. Keller’s Venus Files, is Part II of an exact transcript of that program from the audio tape recording made at home off of the television set by Riley’s then second wife, Judy Crabb:

Riley Crabb: Oh, oh, on the screen!

Betty Smyser: There’s another one!

Venusian scout ship photographed by George Adamski in December 1952.

Riley: This flying saucer picture, Betty, was taken by George Adamski in December 1952, over Palomar Gardens in California. You see the shape is quite similar to the one Allingham photographed. There are differences. This one presumably came from Venus. We also have a sketch of the individual Adamski talked to.

Betty: Not a picture, but a sketch?

Riley: Because Adamski wanted to take of picture of the Venusian but was courteously refused. One of Adamski’s witnesses, who observed the spaceman through binoculars, drew the sketch afterward. There’s a picture of Adamski with his telescope and….

Contactee George Adamski adjusts his eight-inch reflecting telescope at his home on the slopes of Mt. Palomar, California.

Betty: There it is!

Riley: Again, you see an almost completely covering spacesuit; however, there’s a wide belt and this individual wore shoes. He’s hatless and his hands are uncovered. He had long blond hair. There were differences. Yet if this spaceman’s hair were cut, he could pass for an Earth man easily, Betty.

Artist’s depiction of Orthon, based on description provided by Adamski. To the right are sketches of the alien’s footprints as made with plaster casts by Adamski’s friend Dr. George Hunt Williamson at the Desert Center, California, site of the 20 November 1952 flying saucer landing.

Betty: Just like the man from Mars. You said that he wouldn’t have any trouble either. He might even be mistaken for an Englishman. Well now, Riley, if men like Allingham and Adamski have done such intensive research and these books are available to the public, what has our government doing about this?

Riley: Even more intensive research and spending millions of dollars.

Betty: Well, this information has not been released to the public, has it?

Riley: A little…. Not much, that’s true. But then our government has much scientific information which is not released to the public- atomic energy developments, for example; things which we have developed ourselves are not public knowledge.

Betty: Yes, that seems to me a different situation from flying saucers; if you’re going to have them landing all over the Earth and people seeing them and writing accounts of them, you’d think our government would tell us what it is doing to find out the origin of these flying saucers.

Riley: Betty, scientific developments since the start of World War II have been highly secret with all governments of the world. Obviously, the performance of these spaceships is the most fabulous scientific discovery of the Earth! If it could be obtained…. I believe that our government and all governments are trying to crack the secret of the propulsion and levitation used by these visitors. We’ll get into that briefly in Leonard Cramp’s book in a few moments.

Betty: We haven’t finished with Mr. Allingham’s book, have we?

Riley: No, we haven’t. Allingham’s interview with the Martian lasted about half an hour. When the spaceman indicated that he had to leave, Allingham asked for a ride in the saucer, but was turned down. The individual got into the ship and it took off. One reason for the comparatively poor quality of Allingham’s pictures is that it was February, late in the day in Scotland; and by 4 p.m., it was getting rather dark. Also, Allingham was only an amateur photographer. We’ve all taken pictures which were blurred, especially if we were nervous.

Betty (laughs): I would have been a nervous wreck. I wouldn’t have been there when the spaceship landed. I’m not that curious; or rather, I think that my fear would have overcome my curiosity. Of have I seen too many of these George Pal science fiction movies? You know, with these horrible monsters that come at you with green eyes? But apparently when it comes to the real McCoy, there doesn’t seem to be anything to fear.

Riley: I don’t see why there should be, Betty. Apparently, they fear us as much or more than we fear them. They do not want us to travel to other planets in our own spaceships until we learn to control ourselves. The space people would hate to see us spread our troubles and our wars to other planets in the solar system.

Betty: You mean, Riley, that until we can get along with all the other countries right here on Earth, we shouldn’t spread out?

Riley: Yes, because the Martian was concerned as to whether or not we had gotten to the Moon. Allingham indicated to him that it would probably be two or three years; but this didn’t seem to make the Martian feel any better.

Betty: Tell me, Riley, would you recommend this book to anyone who has just a slight curiosity about flying saucers? Or is it a technical book only for people like yourself?

Riley: No, Allingham writes in mostly one syllable words which are quite easy to understand; and I would recommend it as a general review of the subject. He was interested in flying saucers for a long time. He has one whole chapter in here on the Moon as a space station and such evidence as the astronomers have picked up, especially in the 19th century, for physical structures, manmade structures on the Moon which have since disappeared. Present-day astronomers are inclined to doubt what was seen in the 19th century because it isn’t there anymore. Allingham suspects the structures were taken down and moved around to the invisible side of the Moon.

[  This has been completely eliminated from the public record although speculations on Mars canals were not - arclein ]

Betty: Well, maybe I’ll borrow this from you and read it. You’re doing a very good job of convincing me.

Riley: I’d like to get into the technical side a little now, but not too deeply, ladies.

Betty: Well now, women are very much interested in this!

Riley: You might have noticed in Adamski’s picture of a saucer that it was concave-shaped underneath. In this book, Space, Gravity and Flying Saucers, Leonard Cramp speculates on…. Oh, there’s another picture by Adamski, a closer view showing the hollowness underneath…. And Cramp theorizes about an anti-gravity beam which is focused downward from the saucer, driving it away from the Earth, and the fact that something like an inverted ice cream cone effect has been seen at night by different observers. They have seen a mass of light, cone-shaped, coming down toward the Earth (Crabb sketches this on a pad for the benefit of the television camera). The pressure from this anti-gravity beam apparently ionizes particles in the air, causing them to glow. Well, obviously this is not a flying saucer. This glowing cone is a secondary effect. I have a slide on that, perhaps the next one. No, this picture is another by George Adamski, of a carrier or mother ship launching small scout saucers. This next picture is of two English boys, Stephen Darbyshire and Henry Meyer. Three days previous to Allingham’s experience, these boys picked up a picture of a flying saucer over Lake Coniston. I believe this is the next one. Yes, there it is. Again, the bell shape. This is a corroborating type of thing. There’s the bell shape that Messier talked about in 1777.

[  This is a perfectly reasonable design of an early gravity elevator able to land on the surface. - arclein ]

Betty: Are there any more of these? I believe we’d better run on to Mr. Cramp, before we run out of time.

Riley: Yes. There is that one of Mr. Cramp’s illustrations. Taking the Darbyshire photograph and making an orthographic projection onto a drawing board for proportion and analysis, he also does the same with one of Adamski’s and shows that the proportions are the same.

Betty (Another slide flashes across the screen): What’s that?

Riley: Oh, that one is just a speculative drawing by Leonard Cramp, a cutaway of what the interior of a little scout saucer might look like.

Betty: Might look like?

Cutaway of bell-shaped Venusian scout ship as it appears in Leonard Cramp’s speculative book, Space, Gravity and the Flying Saucer.

Riley: Yes, pure speculation. And there, there is the cone effect we were talking about. The other illustration with it is the familiar heel or crescent Moon effect.

Betty: And what is that?

Riley: What? Oh, that’s the title to CBS’ You Are There. That’s not mine.

(There is a burst of laughter from the cameraman and the floor director.)

Betty (laughs): No. That’s my producer, Dar Reed, having some fun with us.

Riley (laughing with her): That’s all right with me.

Betty: Well, it sounds to me like this book of Cramp’s is more technical. I think I’d rather read this one, A Flying Saucer from Mars, Riley. But tell me more about this man, Cramp, is he a great authority?

Riley: No, I wouldn’t say that. I don’t know that he has any scientific standing in England, outside of the fact that he is a member of the British Interplanetary Society. All this is speculation as to different means of lift and propulsion. Anyone interested in the subject and with a technical background would enjoy reading it, I feel. It’s not too difficult. I’m no scientist; and I’ve enjoyed it so far.

Betty: Now, Riley, you make talks around town on this subject. What sort of questions do people ask you? After you’ve talked, and you have been a convincing as you have been here on this show today, what sort of questions do you get?

Riley: One of the most common is, “Why are they here?”

Betty: Do you know the answer?

Riley: The answers that have been received by radio and by direct contact indicate that they are here because they are greatly concerned about our activity in nuclear fission. Apparently, they are afraid that the after effects of atomic explosions may spread to the solar system and disturb the orbits of the other planets. They may make some sort of atomic war, if we get one started. They might possibly demagnetize a whole city, stopping all electricity.

[  Recall  the EMP pulse was not a thing when this interview happened unless you had the technical training and even then it was hardly pointed out - arclein  ]

Betty: You mean that somebody from Mars or Venus sent this message to Earth?

Riley: Heavens, yes! Radio messages or signals have been received from outer space ever since we have developed radio receivers.

Betty: Well, how can….

Riley: We can’t always translate them.

Betty: That’s what I was going to say: How could they be translated or decoded?

Riley: Some messages have been in English. The (Dr. George Hunt) Williamson group in Arizona has received some messages in International Code, which translated readily into English, and some in voice. That book (A. C. Bailey and Dr. George Hunt Williamson, The Saucers Speak, Los Angeles, California: New Age Publishing, 1954) of messages is available to anyone who wishes to buy it.

Betty: And you believe all of this?

Riley: Well, it ties together, Betty. I’m convinced.

Betty: What do you think is going to happen? According to your information, these flying saucers have been sighted since 1777 and maybe even earlier. Why haven’t they come down in droves and made friends and what not?

Riley: One of the messages from outer space, which I read at my last lecture, indicated that they won’t land in America or elsewhere until the majority of the people are ready to receive them.

Betty: Do you think, then, that they are more advanced than we are?

Riley: They seem to be. Obviously, they are scientifically.

Betty: Yes, their flying saucers, oh my….

Riley: And it would seem that they have solved most of their social problems, the ones which still bother us.

Betty: You mean they don’t have wars?

Riley: Yes.

Betty: You know, this has been an all-male discussion. Has a woman ever come down in a flying saucer?

Riley: That is what Truman Bethurum claims. He was on TV not long ago, on You Asked for It, and told of meeting the crew of a saucer- it was so large- and the leader was a woman. Art Baker had a woman on the program made up like her.

(Truman Bethurum wrote a popular book about his encounter with the female saucer pilot, Aboard a Flying Saucer, Los Angeles, California: DeVorss and Company, 1954.)

Betty: And did she look like a plain woman, just like the man from Mars just looked like a plain man?

Riley: Yes.

Betty: Oh-h-h-h-h-h-h, Riley. I wish we had more time to go on; but perhaps you could come back again some time.

Riley: Possibly when we have new material, Betty?

Betty: Yes, or when one has landed in Hawaii.

Riley: Well, we are considering building a communications device of our own. If we get some messages, we’ll be glad to relay them over your program.

Betty: Well, fine. Perhaps we will have Riley Crabb back again. And Riley, I do want to thank you. Now, I am afraid it’s time to sign off our show. Do come back and see us again.

Riley: I will. And thank you, Betty.

Tuesday, February 16, 2021

Lost Interview with Ufology Pioneer Riley Crabb Comes to Light - Part I

Lost Interview with Ufology Pioneer Riley Crabb Comes to Light - Part I

By Raymond A. Keller, PhD, a.k.a. “Cosmic Ray,” the author of the international awards-winning Venus Rising Series, published by Headline Books and available on Amazon.com, while supplies last.

In the early days of television in the Hawaiian Islands, one of the more popular programs was Betty’s Guest Book, aired on the CBS Honolulu affiliate KGMB-TV from 1 to 1:30 p.m. every Thursday. To those senior citizens that can still remember the program, there was an episode that dealt with the most controversial subject of flying saucers that stood out above all the rest. Airing on 27 January 1955, this is perhaps one of the more intriguing interviews ever conducted regarding the UFO phenomenon, insofar as it contains many revelations about the advanced civilizations that exist on other bodies in our own solar system. The guest was Riley Hansard Crabb (2 April 1912-20 January 1994), a prominent researcher of esoterica and the borderland sciences. The following, taken from Dr. Raymond A. Keller’s Venus Files, is an exact transcript of that program from the audio tape recording made at home off of the television set by Riley’s then second wife, Judy Crabb:

Riley Crabb (1912-1994), pioneer ufologist and paranormal investigator.

Betty Smyser: We have a guest who is an expert on a very unusual subject, flying saucers. His name is Riley Crabb. This is so nice of you to come down and tell us about a subject which is so fascinating. But is it believable?

Riley Crabb: Yes. That’s what we will find out during your show.

Betty: I read in the paper the other day that you gave a talk at the YMCA. What did you talk about?

Riley: The title of last Tuesday evening’s talk, Betty, was, “Flying Saucers and Why Some Men Are Taken for a Ride.” It was given at a public meeting of the Theosophical Society, of which I am lodge president.

Betty: First, Riley, how did you become interested in interplanetary travel?

Riley: One of the radio engineers here in Honolulu, back in 1950, gave me a copy of True magazine, which had one of their first articles on the subject. Prior to that, I dismissed them as hallucinations. But the factual material in the article startled me. Shortly after that, I had a chance to join the Borderland Sciences Research Associates, a group with headquarters in San Diego. We compile material of this kind and analyze it to see what truth is in it.

Betty: And you have been pursuing your studies ever since?

Riley: Yes, Betty, I’m afraid it has become an avocation now.

Betty: What, just exactly, is a flying saucer supposed to be?

Riley: Apparently, it is a spaceship for traveling between planets.

Betty: Just as simple as that?

Riley: Just as simple as that, Betty. I have two books here, just recently received from the British Book Centre in New York. One is Space, Gravity and the Flying Saucer by Leonard Cramp. This man is a member of the British Interplanetary Society and he discusses various scientific aspects of lift, how these saucers get their propulsion. The other volume- and we will review it on your program today- is the Flying Saucer from Mars by an Englishman named Cedric Allingham.

Betty (reaching for the book): It says here, “An eyewitness account of a landing of a Martian!”

Riley: That’s right.

Betty: Now this is going to take a lot of convincing- a flying saucer from Mars. Now, Mr. Riley Crabb, suppose I let you go right ahead and when I am skeptical or have a question to ask, I’ll interrupt you. How about that?

Riley: Fine; and think of the woman’s angle, Betty. The thing is that Allingham was well equipped to have such a thing happen to him. He was out on a lonely beach, a beach in Scotland named Lossiemouth, and he had with him the basic equipment: a camera with film in it, a note or sketchbook and binoculars. It was 18 February 1954, not quite a year ago. It was about half an hour past noon. Allingham was a professional bird watcher, an ornithologist, and also an amateur astronomer. He was out actually looking for birds, so he was also used to looking up.

Birdwatchers are more likely to see and even photograph a flying saucer, insomuch as they are outside more often and usually packing photographic

equipment to document their bird finds.

Betty: You mean he wasn’t out looking for a flying saucer?

Riley: No, but he believed in them and had since the stories first broke back in 1946, because of his astronomical background. He feels that science has not disproved that life is possible on other planets; and when these spaceships began showing up, that was proof to him. Well, anyhow, this particular day he was surprised to see this blob of light about 5,000 feet above him. He put his binoculars to it and saw the round dome and three-ball landing gear underneath, the usual identifying marks of a scout saucer. We might look at our first slide now, copied from the back of the book. There is Allingham, beside his ten-inch reflecting telescope, one he has used for years in his astronomical work. The next picture is a copy of the one he got that day at noon.

Amateur astronomer and English contactee Cedric Allingham with his ten-inch reflecting telescope.

Betty: You mean that blob of light?

Riley: Yes, that is typical of many pictures which have been taken by other people. The main difference was that this one came on down and landed about 3:30 p.m. and he got a close look at it.

Betty started laughing in disbelief.

Riley: It’s true!

Betty: All right. All right!

Riley: Allingham stayed in the area, hoping to see the saucer again; and about 3:30 or 3:40 p.m., he heard, rather than saw, this flying saucer coming in very low over the sea.

Betty: What kind of sound did it make?

Riley: A sort of swish, moving the air around it; and it landed there on the beach about 50 yards from him. It was about 50 feet in diameter, 20 feet high; and he got one picture of it coming down. Our next slide will show you that.

Betty: Riley, are you sure that wasn’t taken on a movie set in Hollywood for one of those science fiction things?

Riley: It is true that this would be pretty easy to duplicate.

Betty: But you’ll take Mr. Allingham’s word that this is the saucer he saw, that he actually took a picture of it after it landed on that afternoon?

Riley: Yes.

Betty: OK. And what happened after the saucer landed?

Riley: A hatch opened and an individual climbed out, a spaceman, and stood there on the sand; and they stared at each other.

Betty: You mean they didn’t immediately shake hands and say, “How are you, Joe?”

Riley: No. Allingham was so excited by that time that he forgot to get a good picture of the spaceman, front view. It wasn’t until the interview was over and the man started back toward his saucer that Allingham upped his camera and got a picture.

Betty: You mean that you have a picture of this man that got off the flying saucer?

Riley: Yes, we will have that pretty soon, such as it is. This next one is picture of the saucer on the ground, sitting on the beach.

Betty: Look at those three portholes! And that was the picture of the saucer after it landed?

From Cosmic Ray’s Venus Files: The birdwatcher Allingham’s first photo of the landed saucer on the beach in Scotland.

Riley: Yes, Betty, and there is the picture of the man. We’re a little ahead of our story.

Betty: Wait a minute, Riley; let’s clarify this. That picture you see on your television screen now is a man from….?

Riley: Mars.

Betty: Mars? A man got out of that flying saucer?

Riley: That’s what Mr. Allingham claims.

Betty: All right.

Riley: I’m merely presenting his story, Betty. Let me read Allingham’s description: “I had never seen a spaceman. He presumably had seen other Earth men. In all essentials, however, our appearance was similar. My own height is 5’9 ½” and his was a little bit more, I should say about six feet. By Earthly standards, I should say we were about the same age. I am 32. His hair, like mine, was brown and short. But his skin was a peculiarly curious color, rather like a deep tan. Even so, had he been dressed in Earthly clothes, I doubt if he would have any difficulty in passing as an Englishman. The only real difference was that his forehead was higher than that of any man I know. That’s all.”

From Cosmic Ray’s Venus Files: Photo of Allingham’s “Favorite Martian.”

Betty: It’s as simple as that. I’m completely fascinated.

Riley: Good.

Betty: Now tell me, Riley, what was Mr. Allingham’s reaction? Was he frightened?

Riley: No, he wasn’t. Allingham is a matter-of-fact, straight-forward Englishman, apparently. If you read his book, you will find out that; and he was concerned to get information from the spaceman which would verify some of his astronomical theories about the inhabitation of the planets. The first thing that occurred to Allingham was to try to find out where the man came from. In asking questions of him, Allingham discovered that this being had a beautiful voice, sounding like water gurgling over rocks. There was a musical quality to it, quite alien to anything he had heard.

Betty: Not words?

Riley: Not as we know them. Therefore, Allingham took out his sketchpad, a handy thing to have if you are searching for flying saucers, and he drew in the Sun and then marked in the orbits of the planets. Number one is Mercury. The orbit of Venus is number two; and then he drew in the orbit of the Earth, number three. (Crab was demonstrating this with a sketchpad and heavy black pencil for the TV audience, a “Venus” brand pencil at that!) Allingham pointed to this, the Earth’s orbit, and the spaceman agreed that he knew he was on the planet occupying the third orbit in our solar system. Then Allingham pointed to Venus, number two, and got a negative response. The Englishman then drew the fourth orbit, Mars, and got an agreement on that. That is how he established that the individual came from Mars.

Betty (laughs): Well, I’m speechless, absolutely! This is fantastic. Then what happened?

Riley: Then the spaceman tried to ask a question. With gestures the stranger indicated he was concerned as to whether or not we were going to have another war. Allingham could not give him any assurance that we wouldn’t. Then the Englishman tried to discover if this Martian had had any contact with the planet Venus, because the spaceman George Adamski contacted in the California desert in 1952 indicated that he came from Venus. Using the sketchpad again, Allingham showed an arc between Mars and Venus.

Betty: You mean showing that they traveled back and forth?

Riley: Yes, between Mars and Venus, and the spaceman indicated an affirmative. Then Allingham drew in the orbit of the Moon around our planet and finally got the spaceman to understand the question as to whether or not the Moon was being used as a space station; and the answer was again in the affirmative.

Betty: And all of this communication with the man from Mars was done with a drawing tablet?

Riley: And gestures.

Betty: Tell me something else, Riley. Did Allingham mention that the spaceman was afraid of him? Was there no fear?

Riley: No. Allingham remembered those gestures of friendship more common to primitive people here on Earth, of offering a gift. The only thing he had was his fountain pen. He offered that to the spaceman and it was accepted, graciously, and put in his pocket.

Betty: You mean they have pockets to their suits?

Riley: Oh, yes. Here’s a description of the suit: It covered him completely from his neck to his feet. Only his hands were free. There were no definite shoes. The feet were encased in the garment. It reminded Allingham of chain mail, certainly insulating and flexible.

Betty: It’s explained just like that in the book. I told Riley Crabb that I was really going to put him on the spot. I told him that I didn’t believe in flying saucers; that perhaps they were just blobs of light. But you are convincing me, my friend.

Riley: Betty, I’m only presenting such evidence as I have accumulated in four years. I have volumes of it. This is only the latest. Speaking of evidence, I’d like to quote here from the book an interesting item which Allingham dug up. One thing, by the way, which critics have said is that no reputable astronomer or scientist has come out publicly and said that he believes in them. But going back into the past for astronomical sightings, Allingham quotes the French astronomer, Charles Messier, who on 17 June 1777 wrote in his diary: “They were large and swift and they were like ships yet like bells.” It is clear that he examined these not only with the unaided eye but also with the telescope.

Betty: And that was as far back as 1777?

Riley: Yes, Betty. Of course, a check of written history indicates that we have had sightings as far back as we have- written history! Also, the bell-like shape Messier observed in 1777 indicates that there hasn’t been much change in the design in over 150 years.

Betty (laughs): I was going to say, Riley, not much progress has been made, has it?

Riley: Or perhaps they’ve made all the progress in spaceships that is necessary….

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