Wednesday, May 25, 2022

Cherokee ancestry et al



They are not of course, but the issue has been well confused.  It will take a much larger genetic signature to work with thab is ever likely.

As I have posted, we surmise a full on trade in copper on the great circle route  between the Americas and Europe for over a thousand years.  This was gone in concert with native allies at thevleast with little evidence of settlement outside the mining areas.  Nre England is  the exception here.

It was just never large enough to dominate anywhere and impact the DNA enough.

We have ample evidence of european culture near the mine operations and trade factories.  This includes irish red deer husbandry and dairy.  Genetic integration is another matter when young men took to the annual shipping pretty naturally


If the Cherokee are of pre-Roman North African decent, how and why would they end up in North America? Federally not recognized as Cherokee, as actual fed Cherokee Nations deny scientific evidence of DNA and historical artifacts with Hebrew writings.

Avid reader on history of peoples and population genetics.



Oh, of course the OP knows so much more about the Cherokee roots, history and culture than the Cherokee Nations themselves, and all of them are just “fake Cherokees”, whereas the “true Cherokees” are those unrecognized individuals who suddenly appeared in the 21st century claiming their “true ancestry” (which, most of the time, was completely unknown to their fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers… but of course they were all victims of “brainwashing” to forget a history that was much closer to them than to us now), unable to show one single academically accepted proof that they’re culturally and genealogically more connected to the old Cherokees (or any other Native American people) than those who look Amerindian, speak Amerindian languages and inherited Amerindian practices and beliefs from their own elder family…

Sigh.



The phenomenon of fetishizing Native American origins, usually in concomitance with that of rejecting recent cultural and biological links to current African ethnicities (particularly to any part of Africa south of the Sahara, which is strange, should be studied… not by historians, but by psychologists, sociologists and, who knows, psychiatrists.

It seems that the Amerindian communities can’t geat a break after the generations of the weird “Cherokee Princess myth” that so many white Americans insisted on promoting for so long (some of whom were probably, in the earliest generations, trying to explain away their partial African ancestry in a rigidly racist and segregated society that could destroy a “tainted” person’s and family’s reputation). In either case, racism (even that of the deep-ingrained and self-inflected kind) seems to have a lot do with all these improbable claims to “the true Cherokee identity”.

As for historical artifacts with Hebrew writings, let’s for a moment assume that’s really correct, not a “hidden truth” coming from the same “scientific publications” that in fact are just little known commercial DNA testing companies that say whatever they (or their customers) wish in their own websites *, or from “independent” and “alternative” sources where it’s said the Annunaki were aliens that gave Sumerians knowledge to build civilization, the the Egyptian Gize pyramids were a coded message for heavenly beings in the stars.

Nonetheless, that alone just can’t replace and prevail over the facts that:the Cherokee know their native language (which happens to belong a larger and more widespread Iroquois language family that is typically Amerindian and has zero recoverable linguistic relationship to any African language family);
that their present DNA is basically a mixture of “regular” Native Americans with Europeans (as expected from their history in the last centuries);

that all the ancient DNA samples from the USA or, for that matter, from the Americas as a whole cluster tightly together in the modern Amerindian cluster that is most closely related to Paleolithic Siberian (basically intermediate between East Asians and the ancient North Eurasians);

that their traditional customs, arts and beliefs are unmistakably related to those of numerous other Amerindian ethnicities (also of proven Paleo-Siberian origin), and so on, and so forth;

that the oldest photographs and paintings of Cherokee people look unsurprisingly similar to other Native Americans and to mestizos that are a variable mixture of “full” Native Americans with European immigrants.


There is a veritable avalanche of counter-evidences opposed to, basically, some quite dubious claims about “lost Hebrews” or something (by the way, what the heck would pre-Roman North Africans have to do with a language that is first and almost exclusively attested in Southwest Asia? Apparently we’re dealing with a case of “they’re all the same in the end” typically found among people who ignore a lot about what they dare to lecture about).

* I'll even venture a guess on where the OP took that idea of "genetic evidences" from: the very small and little renowned DNA testing company DNA Consultants, which, just like its similarly semi-amateur, though more Africa-focused company DNA Tribes, is the preferential source of "scientific knowledge on population genetics" of 9 in 10 fans of “alternative history” (or, in a less euphemistic phrasing, fake history, “by sheer coincidence” always in such a specific way that links those guys themselves to the historical events and cultures in question).

The company DNA Constultants is owned, together with his wife, by Donald N. Yates, a genealogist (yes, genealogist, not geneticist), who is the author of such "groundbreaking" (ahem) books like: "When Scotland was Jewish"; "Old World Roots of the Cherokee"; "The Early Jews and Muslims of England and Wales";"Los Lunas Decalogue Stone: Eighth-Century Hebrew Monument in New Mexico"; “Merchant Adventurer Kings of Rhoda: The Lost World of the Tucson Artifacts” (which, as per the author, "document the annals of a forgotten Roman-styled military governorship in Chichimec Toltec Northwest Mexico", "straightforwardly composed in Latin", a "collection of readings translated from Latin, Greek, Arabic, Chinese, Nahuatl, Hebrew and other languages by medievalist Donald N. Yates", consisting of "lost-wax, cast-lead ceremonial objects inscribed with medieval Latin historical texts and memorials of leaders with names such as Jacob, Israel, Benjamin, Joseph, Saul, Isaac and Theodore", with some also containing "Hebrew phrases", "trademarks in Tang-era seal script" and even "Romanesque-style angels"!!!); and "Cherokee DNA Studies: Real People WHo Proved the Geneticists Wrong" (which could be renamed "How a bunch of lay people devised an entire revision of the peopling and genetic history of the Americas to keep denying the inconvenient results of population genetic research and stubbornly refusing to let go of old family legends”).

You can already guess how reputable and credible his "scientific papers" (published and sold by himself, not by any independent scientific publication after peer review) are to the overwhelming majority of the academic community.


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